Quote of the Day | December 31, 2007: Auld Lang Syne

That stalwart Scot, Robert Burns' traditional 18th century carol, Auld Lang Syne:

Should old acquaintance be forgot,
and never brought to mind?
Should old acquaintance be forgot,
and auld lang syne?

CHORUS:

For auld lang syne, my dear,

for auld lang syne,

we'll take a cup o’ kindness yet,

for auld lang syne.

And surely you’ll buy your pint cup!
And surely I’ll buy mine!
And we'll take a cup o’ kindness yet,
for auld lang syne.

CHORUS

We two have run about the slopes,
and picked the daisies fine;
But we’ve wandered many a weary foot,
since auld lang syne.

CHORUS

We two have paddled in the stream,
from morning sun till dine;
But seas between us broad have roared
since auld lang syne.

CHORUS

And there’s a hand my trusty friend!
And give us a hand o’ thine!
And we’ll take a right good-will draught,
for auld lang syne.

CHORUS

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2007 | Draft Weekend Dynasty Risers

Sons of the Tundra 4/30/07:
2007 TOP 15 NFL DRAFT WEEKEND RISERS

1. Randy Moss NE WR - Life is obviously fair. If anyone deserved the old "outhouse to penthouse" treatment, it was Randy Moss... right? A now motivated Moss is running 4.29 40's and goes from a disastrous, soul-draining operation led by the inept Art Shell, Andrew Walter & Aaron Brooks to football Valhalla with Brady & Belichik
2. Jon Kitna DET QB - Stanton is much less of an immediate threat than Quinn would have been; Calvin Johnson has the type of talent to make a Moss-like rookie impact; 2nd season in Martz' system. This is now a QB who could win you a dynasty championship in '07.
3. Tom Brady NE QB - A great redzone QB adds the best redzone target in the league to go along with previous acquisitions Stallworth & Welker
4. D.J. Hackett SEA WR - Not only was he often the most productive WR on the field when he was in the game, but he's also put up very intriguing catch percentages in his short history. I like his chances of leapfrogging Branch to become SEA's most valuable fantasy WR.
5. Jerious Norwood ATL RB - It was commonly assumed that ATL would add a more physical RB this offseason, but the draft came & went without a threat to the Norwood/Dunn tandem. I still see Norwood's future as less than an every down back, but the draft was a great boost to his owners
6. Joseph Addai IND RB - I've been guessing Indy as the likely landing spot for Chris Brown, but it has to be good news that the Colts didn't add a tandem partner for Addai in the draft
7. Tarvaris Jackson MIN QB - After much outsider speculation, he's still the present & future at QB in MIN. The Vikes figure to rely heavily on their defense & running game going forward, so Jackson won't be asked to carry the offense before he's ready.
8. Alex Smith SF QB - D-Jax fills a gaping hole at go-to WR, plus Niners add a 1st round OT in Staley and a sleeper 3rd round WR in Hill; team has surrounded Smith with a lot more talent this season
9. Jamal Lewis CLE RB - Browns add franchise QB & franchise LT to go with all-pro talent Eric Steinbach; Lewis will get a chance to be a running game ballast for a season while the passing game finds itself
10. LenDale White TEN RB - Adding a reliable veteran was worst-case scenario with a draft day Michael Turner acquisition being the most ominous threat. While the Titans think highly of Chris Henry, there certainly is a high bust factor there, and I think FatDale is the better talent as well as the better bet to carry the load in '07.
11. Greg Jennings GB WR - What got lost in the Moss-to-GB rumors is the fact that Jennings had a very promising start to his NFL career. The Pack has shown their faith in Jennings as the clear #2 WR and, really, why not?
12. Deion Branch SEA WR - While I believe Hackett benefits the most from the D-Jax trade, there's no denying it should help Branch with a more defined value and an increase in targets
13. Laurence Maroney NE RB - The Pats could have muddied the picture by selecting a RB threat to Maroney's production. Instead, they've added receiving weapons to spread the offense and create space in the running game.
14. Mike Williams OAK WR - Still just 23 years old, Williams moves from an offense ill-suited to his strengths and a team which had soured on him to a fresh start in an offense run by his former college coach
15. Brandon Jones TEN WR - It's ugly at WR in Tennessee. Afternoon talk show ugly. On the bright side, the Titans' failure to upgrade means they're counting on Brandon Jones to step into the #1 WR role. It's not like they have any other options...

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2007 | Draft Weekend Dynasty Tumblers

Sons of the Tundra 4/30/07:

TOP 15 NFL DRAFT WEEKEND DYNASTY TUMBLERS

1. Chester Taylor MIN RB - Minnesota figures to run the ball a ton this season; regardless, Taylor takes a drastic tumble from every week starter to plain old unstartable
2. Darrell Jackson SF WR - Even if D-Jax didn't owe a large portion of his production to Holmgren's system and Hasselbeck's play, only the truly elite WRs can typically withstand a significant downtick in production as they move to a new team.
3. Daunte Culpepper MIA QB - Is he going to get a chance to keep his job in MIA? The Trent Green talk isn't going away, and the new regime is obviously putting the franchise's future in Beck's hands. Where does that leave Culpepper? The other teams have their QB situation just about cemented for '07
4. Charlie Frye CLE QB - Unless you're under the deluded belief that he's going to pull a Drew Brees and metamorphasize into a pro-bowl QB to prove his franchise wrong for drafting a high profile replacement, his value is all gone
5. Devery Henderson NO WR - Looks like he won't step into Joe Horn's role afterall; even if he ends up the #2 WR to start the year, Meachem is the better talent and figures to steal much of Henderson's value
6. Mike Furrey DET WR - If you were counting on Furrey being startable again this year, that's nobody's fault but your own. He'll play the slot, but he now goes from interesting possibility to complete non-factor
7. Brian Westbrook PHI RB - Still very valuable in PPR leagues, but Hunt's presence is definitely a concern inside the 10 yard line. Additionally, will we ignore retirement talk after Tiki proved it's not always a bluff?
8. Ronnie Brown MIA RB - We still have no idea what's going on with Ricky, but Lorenzo Booker's presence now leaves open the question of whether Brown will be a 2-down back despite his own underrated prowess in the passing game
9. Matt Hasselbeck SEA QB - Coming off a disappointing season and shoulder surgery, he's now lost his #1 WR, his starting tight-end and his center a year after losing his all-pro guard.
10. Chris Perry CIN RB - Obviously no longer seen as Rudi's heir-apparent, his injuries could leave him on the sidelines to start the season and, even worse, without a job down the road
11. Lamont Jordan OAK RB - After an injury-plagued & value draining season, he's forced to take a paycut to avoid being cut, then the team signs Rhodes to take a chunk out of his playing time only to later draft a possible replacement in Bush. He's fallen from sure-fire Top 10 to a questionable Top 35 in less than a year. Another data point on the dangers of placing a higher priority on the most recent season's numbers as opposed to talent & situation. Or, if you prefer, last year's Chester Taylor.
12. Vince Young TEN QB - With a disappointing off-season on the heels of such an exciting finish to the season, I just can't shake this bad feeling I have about the Titans going into '07; Pacman's suspension, Travis Henry's departure, their failure to add even one respectable receiving threat
13. Chris Chambers MIA WR - The whole Dolphins offense scares me, but especially their passing game. Who's going to be throwing him the ball in '07? How about '08? At least they'll have options: will it be the scrap-heap veteran? Maybe the inexperienced back-up? How about the headcase, injury-prone shell of his former self? Should we add overrated rookie?
14. Alex Smith TB TE - Has yet to make the leap to dependable starter and now has to contend with another obstacle in Jerramy Stevens
15. Donte Stallworth NE WR - The new kid in town isn't so new anymore. Quite a steep fall from much ballyhooed massive Caldwell/Gaffney upgrade at go-to WR all the way down to just another option in the passing game in one weekend.

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Full Contact: Playoff Picture

Final Regular Season Standings:

IN
1. Warriors 14-3, 1022 / 31.99
2. Backyard All-Stars 12-5, 1029 / 30.93
3. Underpaid Action Heros 12-5, 849 / 28.32
4. Choda Soda 10-7, 895 / 25.77
5. Boppers 10-7, 710 / 23.11
6. Florida Flash 9-8, 866 / 23.80

OUT
7. Openacanofwhoopass 9-8, 853 / 23.42
8. Red Storm 7-10, 662 / 18.65
9. Gator Nation 6-11, 816 / 19.44
10. Florida Red Palms 6-11, 725 / 17.70
11. Aurora Casket Co. 6-11, 634 / 16.29
12. Chem Coach 1-16, 548 / 9.07


DISTRIBUTION OF PLAYOFF PLAYERS:

PLAYOFF TEAMS

#1 Seed: WARRIORS [+18]

QB: Philip Rivers, SD - #3 vs. Tennessee

RB: Ladainian Tomlinson, SD - #3 vs. Tennessee

RB: Laurence Maroney, NE - #1 vs. Jacksonville / Pittsburgh winner

WR: Chris Chambers, SD - #3 vs. Tennessee

WR: Craig Davis, SD - #3 vs. Tennessee

TE: Antonio Gates, SD - #3 vs. Tennessee

TE: Kevin Boss, NYG - #5 vs. Tampa Bay

K: Nate Kaeding, SD - #3 vs. Tennessee

K: Rob Bironas, TEN - #6 vs. San Diego

D: Chargers, SD - #3 vs. Tennessee

Trades: 12/31/07 - Sent Alex Smith to Backyard All-Stars for Troy Smith

1/2/08 - Sent 2nd round pick to Openacanofwhoopass for Chris Chambers

1/2/08 - Sent 5th round pick to Chem Coach for Kevin Boss

#2 Seed: BACKYARD ALL-STARS [+15]

QB: Tom Brady, NE - #1 vs. Jacksonville / Pittsburgh winner

QB: Todd Collins, WAS - #6 vs. Seattle

RB: Najeh Davenport, PIT - #4 vs. Jacksonville

RB: Kevin Faulk, NE - #1 vs. Jacksonville / Pittsburgh winner

WR: Hines Ward, PIT - #4 vs. Jacksonville

WR: Joey Galloway, TB - #4 vs. New York Giants

WR: Jabar Gaffney, NE - #1 vs. Jacksonville / Pittsburgh winner

WR: Donte’ Stallworth, NE - #1 vs. Jacksonville / Pittsburgh winner

WR: Terry Glenn, DAL - #1 vs. Tampa Bay / New York winner

TE: Chris Cooley, WAS - #6 vs. Seattle

TE: Ben Watson, NE - #1 vs. Jacksonville / Pittsburgh winner

TE: Jerramy Stevens, TB - #4 vs. New York Giants

TE: Alex Smith, TB - #4 vs. New York Giants

TE: Ben Troupe, TEN - #6 vs. Chargers

K: Nick Folk, DAL - #1 vs. Tampa Bay / New York winner

K: Jeff Reed, PIT - #4 vs. Jacksonville

D: Patriots, NE - #1 vs. Jacksonville / Pittsburgh winner

Trades: 11/14/07 - Sent Lee Evans, Justin Fargas & 1st round pick to Choda Soda for Hines Ward, Patriots Defense, Kevin Faulk & 6th round pick

11/10/07 - Sent Jamal Lewis & Vincent Jackson to Bungles for Donte' Stallworth

12/31/07 - Sent Alex Smith to Warriors for Troy Smith

12/31/07 - Sent Selvin Young to Choda Soda for Najeh Davenport

12/31/07 - Sent Owen Daniels and 4th round pick to Florida Red Palms for Donald Lee

1/2/08 - Sent Donald Lee to Boppers for Joey Galloway and Jabar Gaffney

1/3/08 - Sent Tony Scheffler, Kevin Curtis, Bears D, and 3rd round pick to Florida Red Palms for Chris Cooley, Antwaan Randle El, Jeff Reed, and 5th round pick

#3 Seed: UNDERPAID ACTION HEROS [+12]

QB: Matt Hasselbeck, SEA - #3 vs. Washington

RB: Shaun Alexander, SEA - #3 vs. Washington

RB: Michael Turner, SD - #3 vs. Tennessee

WR: Reggie Wayne, IND - #2 vs. San Diego / Tennessee Winner

WR: Wes Welker, NE - #1 vs. Jacksonville / Pittsburgh winner

WR: Patrick Crayton, DAL - #1 vs. Tampa Bay / New York winner

WR: D.J. Hackett, SEA - #3 vs. Washington

WR: Nate Burleson, SEA - #3 vs. Washington

WR: Bobby Engram, SEA - #3 vs. Washington

TE: Marcus Pollard, SEA - #3 vs. Washington

K: Josh Brown, SEA - #3 vs. Washington

K: Matt Bryant, TB - #3 vs. New York

D: Seahawks, SEA - #3 vs. Washington

D: Buccaneers, TB - #4 vs. New York

Trades: 1/2/08 - Sent Torry Holt and Wes Welker [post-playoffs] to Gator Nation for Reggie Wayne and Mason Crosby

1/3/08 - Sent Michael Turner and Greg Olsen to Florida Red Palms for Shaun Alexander and Vikings D

1/3/08 - Sent Mason Crosby and Mark Clayton to Boppers for Bernard Berrian and D.J. Hackett

1/5/08 - Sent 4th round pick to Choda Soda for Bobby Engram and 7th round pick

#4 Seed: CHODA SODA [+9]

QB: Ben Roethlisberger, PIT - #4 vs. Jacksonville

RB: Joseph Addai, IND - #2 vs. San Diego / Tennessee winner

RB: Clinton Portis, WAS - #6 vs. Seattle

RB: Ladell Betts, WAS - #6 vs. Seattle

WR: Plaxico Burress, NYG - #5 vs. Tampa Bay

WR: Santonio Holmes, PIT - #4 vs. Jacksonville

WR: Anthony Gonzalez - #2 vs. San Diego / Tennessee winner

K: Adam Vinatieri - #2 vs. San Diego / Tennessee winner

K: Shaun Suisam - #6 vs. Seattle

D: Colts, IND - #2 vs. San Diego / Tennessee winner

D: Redskins, WAS - #6 vs. Seattle

Trades: 11/14/07 - Sent Hines Ward, Patriots Defense, Kevin Faulk & 6th round pick to Backyard All-Stars for Lee Evans, Justin Fargas & 1st round pick

12/31/07 - Sent Najeh Davenport to Backyard All-Stars for Selvin Young

1/1/08 - Sent Packers Defense and 5th round pick to Boppers for 2nd round pick

1/1/08 - Sent Lee Evans, 1st round pick, and 2nd round pick to Aurora Casket Co. for Roy Williams and Bobby Engram

1/4/08 - Sent Swamp Land in Florida a/k/a Javon Walker and 4th round pick to Openacanofwhoopass for Santonio Holmes

1/5/08 - Sent Bobby Engram and 7th round pick to Underpaid Action Heros for 4th round pick


#5 Seed: BOPPERS [+6]

QB: Brett Favre, GB - #2 vs. Seattle / Washington winner

RB: Maurice Jones-Drew, JAX - #5 vs. Pittsburgh

RB: Fred Taylor, JAX - #5 vs. Pittsburgh

WR: Greg Jennings, GB - #2 vs. Seattle / Washington winner

WR: Donald Driver, GB - #2 vs. Seattle / Washington winner

TE: Donald Lee, GB - #2 vs. Seattle / Washington winner

TE: Heath Miller, PIT - #4 vs. Jacksonville

K: Mason Crosby, GB - #2 vs. Seattle / Washington winner

K: Josh Scobee, JAX - #5 vs. Pittsburgh

D: Packers, GB - #2 vs. Seattle / Washington winner

D: Steelers, PIT - #4 vs. Jacksonville

Trades: 12/26/07 - Sent 5th round pick to Chem Coach for Josh Scobee

12/19/07 - Sent Brandon Marshall to Red Storm for Donald Driver & Jabar Gaffney

1/1/08 - Sent 2nd round draft pick to Choda Soda for Packers Defense and 5th round pick

1/2/08 - Sent Ernest Graham to Florida Flash for 2nd round pick

1/2/08 - Sent Joey Galloway and Jabar Gaffney to Backyard Allstars for Donald Lee

1/3/08 - Sent D.J. Hackett and Bernard Berrian to Underpaid Action Heros for Mason Crosby and Mark Clayton

Seed #6 FLORIDA FLASH [+3]

QB: Peyton Manning, IND - #2 vs. San Diego / Tennessee winner

RB: Marion Barber, DAL - #1 vs. Tampa Bay / New York winner

RB: Earnest Graham, TB - #4 vs. New York

RB: Julius Jones, DAL - #1 vs. Tampa Bay / New York winner

RB: Maurice Morris, SEA - #1 vs. Washington

RB: Kenton Keith, IND - #2 vs. San Diego / Tennessee winner

WR: Randy Moss, NE - #1 vs. Jacksonville / Pittsburgh winner

WR: Terrell Owens, DAL - #1 vs. Tampa Bay / New York winner

WR: Marvin Harrison, IND - #2 vs. San Diego / Tennessee winner

WR: #Deion Branch, SEA - #3 vs. Washington

WR: Matt Jones, JAX - #5 vs. Pittsburgh

K: Stephen Gostkowski, NE - #1 vs. Jacksonville / Pittsburgh winner

D: Cowboys, DAL - #1 vs. Tampa Bay / New York winner

1/2/08 - Sent 2nd round draft pick to Boppers for Ernest Graham

1/2/08 - Sent Peyton Manning [post-playoffs], Edgerrin James, and Reggie Brown to Red Storm for Terrell Owens

NON-PLAYOFF TEAMS

OPENACANOFWHOOPASS

QB: Tony Romo, DAL - #1 vs. Tampa Bay / New York winner

RB: LenDale White, TEN - #6 vs. San Diego

WR: Santana Moss, WAS - #6 vs. Seattle

WR: Dennis Northcutt, JAX - #5 vs. Pittsburgh

TE: Dallas Clark, IND - #2 vs. San Diego / Tennessee winner

D: Jaguars, JAX - #5 vs. Pittsburgh

1/2/08 - Sent Chris Chambers to Warriors for 2nd round pick

1/4/08 - Sent Santonio Holmes to Choda Soda for Swamp Land in Florida a/k/a Javon Walker and 4th round pick

GATOR NATION

WR: Amani Toomer, NYG - #5 vs. Tampa Bay

TE: Jason Witten, DAL - #1 vs. Tampa Bay / New York winner

D: Giants, NYG - #5 vs. Tampa Bay

1/2/08 - Sent Reggie Wayne and Mason Crosby to Underpaid Action Heros for Torry Holt and Wes Welker [post-playoffs]

FLORIDA RED PALMS

Trades: 12/31/07 - Sent Donald Lee to Backyard All-Stars for Owen Daniels and 4th round pick

1/1/08 - Sent Willie Parker, David Garrard, and JaMarcus Russell to Aurora Casket Co. for Jamal Lewis and 2nd round pick

1/3/08 - Sent Chris Cooley, Antwaan Randle El, Jeff Reed, and 5th round pick to Backyard All-Stars for Tony Scheffler, Kevin Curtis, Bears D, and 3rd round pick

1/3/08 - Sent Shaun Alexander and Vikings D to Underpaid Action Heros for Michael Turner and Greg Olsen

RED STORM

RB: Brandon Jacobs, NYG - #5 vs. Tampa Bay

WR: Nate Washington, PIT - #4 vs. Jacksonville

K: Lawrence Tynes, NYG - #5 vs. Tampa Bay

D: Titans, TEN - #6 vs. San Diego

Trades: 12/19/07 - Sent Donald Driver & Jabar Gaffney to Boppers for Brandon Marshall

1/2/08 - Sent Terrell Owens to The Florida Flash for Peyton Manning [post-playoffs], Edgerrin James, and Reggie Brown

AURORA CASKET CO.

QB: David Garrard, JAX - #5 vs. Pittsburgh

QB: Eli Manning, NYG - #5 vs. Tampa Bay

QB: Vince Young, TEN - #6 vs. San Diego

WR: Vincent Jackson, SD - #3 vs. Tennessee

Trades: 11/10/07 - Sent Donte' Stallworth to Backyard All-Stars for Jamal Lewis & Vincent Jackson

1/1/08 - Sent Roy Williams and Bobby Engram to Choda Soda for Lee Evans, 1st round pick, and 2nd round pick

1/1/08 - Sent Jamal Lewis and 2nd round pick to Florida Red Palms for Willie Parker, David Garrard, and JaMarcus Russell

CHEM COACH

QB: Jeff Garcia, TB - #4 vs. New York

RB: Ryan Grant, GB - #2 vs. Seattle / Washington winner

RB: Ahmad Bradshaw, NYG - #5 vs. Tampa Bay

WR: Reggie Williams, JAX - #5 vs. Pittsburgh

Trades: 12/26/07 - Sent Josh Scobee to Boppers for 5th round draft pick

1/2/08 - Sent Kevin Boss to Warriors for 5th round pick

WALL OF CHAMPIONS:

2007: 1st Place - Warriors, Runner-up - Underpaid Action Heros

2006: 1st Place - Choda Soda, Runner-up - Backyard All-Stars

2005: 1st Place - Backyard All-Stars, Runner-up - Aurora Casket Co.

2004: 1st Place - Backyard All-Stars, Runner-up - Chem Coach

2003: 1st Place - Warriors, Runner-up - Red Storm

2002: 1st Place - Cardinals, Runner-up - Backyard All-Stars

2001: 1st Place - Florida Flash, Runner-up - Backyard All-Stars

2000: 1st Place - Klein's Kleaners, Runner-up - Bob & Tom

1999: 1st Place - Red Storm, Runner-up - Bob & Tom

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Full Contact: Playoff Rules / Set-up

PLAYOFF RULES:

C-01 – Playoff Team & Setup

	Playoffs will consist of the top six teams in the League.
	Each team is allowed to protect up to one starting team for the playoffs. Obviously, the players used must be from teams who have made the NFL playoffs.
	If a fantasy team does not have enough players to complete a starting team, then that team enters the playoffs with a short team.
	There is no additional drafting for Super Bowl playoff money.
	A starting team consists of one of the two options used during the regular season.
	Teams are permitted to change their playoff roster during the playoffs as long as your substitute’s team wins. IE; If you have a QB from division winner who gets a bye, and a wild card QB you are permitted to start your wild card QB and if the team wins the game, you are permitted to change to your division winning QB for the 2nd week of the playoffs. If you wild card QB team loses, then you lose the QB position for the remainder of the playoffs. Any questions on this ask Tom, Dan or Dave M.
	Trading of Playoff players is not allowed after the playoffs begin.

C-02 - Playoff Scoring

	Playoff Points Earned.
		Playoff scoring for individual players is the same as the system used during the regular season.
	Home Field Advantage - Based on Regular Season finish
		1st Seed 18 pts
		2nd Seed 15 pts
		3rd Seed 12 pts
		4th Seed 9 pts
		5th Seed 6 pts
		6th Seed 3 pts

C-03 - Determining the Playoff Victor

	Crowning a Champion
		Is the team with the most total points after adding his teams Playoff Points Earned plus Home Field Advantage points
	In the event of a tie, the order for the tiebreaker is:
		Most Playoff Points Earned, because champions play their best in January
		Regular Season Head-to-Head
		Most Points Earned in the Regular Season
		Coin Flip.

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Original FBG Dynasty Rankings Thread | Page 1

Fear & Loathing

Oct 26 2006, 04:10 AM

Check out the new Dynasty Rankings Blog for further discussion of player values and dynasty league strategy.

If change was going to be inevitable, the end of the fantasy season and the beginning of a new year is as fine a time as any to install that change. As those of you who have been around since the beginning know, situations have arisen which have spurred me at times to look into moving the rankings to another site where they will be more protected.

I’ve been kicking the blog idea around for several years, but my own sloth and procrastination have kept me from seeing that idea through. With time off from school for Christmas break, the impetus finally moved me from the idea stage to the action stage.

Since it’s a time-consuming hassle to update two lists on two different sites, and since there was a reason to move the rankings in the first place, the rankings have been moved exclusively to the dynastyrankings blog starting January 1, 2008. As always, feel free to comment at the blog itself, or simply continue to bring it up here for discussion. I fully intend to stay heavily involved in this thread and on the message board.

War Ensemble

Oct 26 2006, 07:07 AM

Alexander and Portis ahead of Jackson and Bush.

pgreenfan

Oct 26 2006, 10:50 AM

I think Grossman is ranked pretty low for dynasty purposes.

broncofan13000

Oct 26 2006, 12:18 PM

Great Post.


imho Tatum Bell is too high, and Ma. Clayton and Williamson are too low.

perry147

Oct 26 2006, 12:31 PM

24 Julius Jones DAL - Way Low

H.K.

Oct 26 2006, 12:36 PM

Tiki at #27 with ten games left in his career...tough guy to rank given his situation and your premise that present day is three times as valuable as future performance. Don't agree or disagree with the rank, btw, just thought he was a tricky guy to place on the list.

dgreen

Oct 26 2006, 01:08 PM

QUOTE (H.K. @ Oct 26 2006, 12:36 PM)

Tiki at #27 with ten games left in his career...tough guy to rank given his situation and your premise that present day is three times as valuable as future performance. Don't agree or disagree with the rank, btw, just thought he was a tricky guy to place on the list.

Dynasty rankings, in general, are tricky. Is this year three times more important than next year for a 1-6 team? In Dynasty, every team doesn't have the same goal. Therefore, every team won't place the same value on particular players. In some cases, the value can differ greatly from one team to another.

perry147

Oct 26 2006, 01:10 PM

QUOTE (dgreen @ Oct 26 2006, 12:08 PM)

QUOTE (H.K. @ Oct 26 2006, 12:36 PM)

Tiki at #27 with ten games left in his career...tough guy to rank given his situation and your premise that present day is three times as valuable as future performance. Don't agree or disagree with the rank, btw, just thought he was a tricky guy to place on the list.

Dynasty rankings, in general, are tricky. Is this year three times more important than next year for a 1-6 team? In Dynasty, every team doesn't have the same goal. Therefore, every team won't place the same value on particular players. In some cases, the value can differ greatly from one team to another.

A rebuilding team vs one built to win this year.

code

Oct 26 2006, 01:12 PM

fsufan

Oct 26 2006, 01:27 PM

QUOTE (dgreen @ Oct 26 2006, 01:08 PM)

QUOTE (H.K. @ Oct 26 2006, 12:36 PM)

Tiki at #27 with ten games left in his career...tough guy to rank given his situation and your premise that present day is three times as valuable as future performance. Don't agree or disagree with the rank, btw, just thought he was a tricky guy to place on the list.

Dynasty rankings, in general, are tricky. Is this year three times more important than next year for a 1-6 team? In Dynasty, every team doesn't have the same goal. Therefore, every team won't place the same value on particular players. In some cases, the value can differ greatly from one team to another.

also, dynasty owners have different options on players for now and for the future.

perfect example

had a guy that wanted M. Colston in 1 of my dynasty leagues, he is very high on him. He gave up D-Jax for him

bumpman

Oct 26 2006, 01:50 PM

Berrian at WR40 seems awfully low, especially with Muhammed at WR27. Do you really think Berrian has less value than Troy Williamson in a dynasty format?

mlichty

Oct 26 2006, 02:46 PM

I have never played in a league where the playoffs are after the regular season ends. That would throw off your rankings vs my rankings. The big name guys on bad teams could help get you to the playoffs but they are not going to help you when they are golfing and you are in the playoffs. Not to bust on you but I don't think that I would like the league run like that.

But it still takes time to put together the rankings - so thanks.

Fear & Loathing

Oct 26 2006, 02:49 PM

QUOTE (War Ensemble @ Oct 26 2006, 07:07 AM)

Alexander and Portis ahead of Jackson and Bush.

Maybe. Alexander is almost 30 years old, and his O-Line doesn't appear to be nearly as strong as years past. Portis is starting look a bit injury prone, especially since he's had so many carries under his belt for a 25 year old back. Then again, I could be out-thinking myself.

I think Steven Jackson is a stud. He'll start finding the endzone more often in the 2nd half. Ditto Reggie Bush. His receiving ability almost makes him slump-proof, and I think his playmaking ability will get him into the endzone more in the 2nd half.

Fear & Loathing

Oct 26 2006, 02:51 PM

QUOTE (pgreenfan @ Oct 26 2006, 10:50 AM)

I think Grossman is ranked pretty low for dynasty purposes.

Call me stubborn, but I'm still not completely sold on Rex Grossman. Look at his numbers this year compared to David Carr. Completion %, QB rating, etc. Grossman will come back down to earth, and I'm still not ruling out a Brian Griese sighting this year.

Fear & Loathing

Oct 26 2006, 02:55 PM

QUOTE (broncofan13000 @ Oct 26 2006, 12:18 PM)

Great Post.


imho Tatum Bell is too high, and Ma. Clayton and Williamson are too low.

I almost ranked Tatum Bell higher. He's a very talented RB, who is just now getting his chance. I'm betting that Shanny's Bob Knight-like mind games with Tatum are over...in which case, he's gold.

Clayton & Williamson could be too low. I'm just not sure I could have a decisive opinion on them one way or another consider they've never really done anything in the NFL to show they're going to be future stars. Clayton got TD's on a couple of fluke tipped ball passes 2 weeks ago. I'm a bit skeptical that he's going to be blowing up any time soon with McNair and/or Boller throwing to him. Williamson should be higher given his talent, but he looks like a guy with much better talent than football skills. He can fly, but what good is that if you keep dropping the ball?

Fear & Loathing

Oct 26 2006, 02:58 PM

QUOTE (perry147 @ Oct 26 2006, 12:31 PM)

24 Julius Jones DAL - Way Low

He's a tough guy to rank. When I was finished, I thought he stood out as too low. Then I thought about the fact that Marion Barber is going to be around stealing his goal-line & 3rd down carries for the foreseeable future. Add that to the fact that Parcells goes out of his way to praise Barber and look for more ways to get him involved, and it's a pretty muddled fantasy future for Julius Jones.

The_U

Oct 26 2006, 02:58 PM

QUOTE (Fear & Loathing @ Oct 26 2006, 01:55 PM)

QUOTE (broncofan13000 @ Oct 26 2006, 12:18 PM)

Great Post.


imho Tatum Bell is too high, and Ma. Clayton and Williamson are too low.

I almost ranked Tatum Bell higher. He's a very talented RB, who is just now getting his chance. I'm betting that Shanny's Bob Knight-like mind games with Tatum are over...in which case, he's gold.

Clayton & Williamson could be too low. I'm just not sure I could have a decisive opinion on them one way or another consider they've never really done anything in the NFL to show they're going to be future stars. Clayton got TD's on a couple of fluke tipped ball passes 2 weeks ago. I'm a bit skeptical that he's going to be blowing up any time soon with McNair and/or Boller throwing to him. Williamson should be higher given his talent, but he looks like a guy with much better talent than football skills. He can fly, but what good is that if you keep dropping the ball?

Great rebuttals on the WRs and nice work on the rankings.

Fear & Loathing

Oct 26 2006, 03:02 PM

QUOTE (dgreen @ Oct 26 2006, 01:08 PM)

QUOTE (H.K. @ Oct 26 2006, 12:36 PM)

Tiki at #27 with ten games left in his career...tough guy to rank given his situation and your premise that present day is three times as valuable as future performance. Don't agree or disagree with the rank, btw, just thought he was a tricky guy to place on the list.

Dynasty rankings, in general, are tricky. Is this year three times more important than next year for a 1-6 team? In Dynasty, every team doesn't have the same goal. Therefore, every team won't place the same value on particular players. In some cases, the value can differ greatly from one team to another.

Great points here. Tiki is tough to rank. Before last week's announcement, I had him in the 13-16 range considering he was over 30 but still putting up "in his prime" numbers.

I completely agree that a 1-6 team has a much different agenda than a 5-2 team. That 5-2 team has to value Tiki pretty highly because he has to scratch for a win each week; additionally, the Giants look like a playoff team right now, so Tiki would have a lot of value for the playoffs. The 1-6 team has to try to deal Tiki to the highest bidder.

The_U

Oct 26 2006, 03:02 PM

QUOTE (Fear & Loathing @ Oct 26 2006, 01:58 PM)

QUOTE (perry147 @ Oct 26 2006, 12:31 PM)

24 Julius Jones DAL - Way Low

He's a tough guy to rank. When I was finished, I thought he stood out as too low. Then I thought about the fact that Marion Barber is going to be around stealing his goal-line & 3rd down carries for the foreseeable future. Add that to the fact that Parcells goes out of his way to praise Barber and look for more ways to get him involved, and it's a pretty muddled fantasy future for Julius Jones.

While I personally feel this ranking is indeed a bit low, I hear you on MBIII and I like MB a lot. I think the Cowboy RB ranking on anyone's list is a big fat 'subject to change'. It certainly does sound as if Parcells prefers Barber, but I don't see him back in Dallas next year. He looked just awful - like someone had taken a baseball bat to his gut multiple times - at his press conference Monday night. I've never seen Parcells look so defeated. This team and its owner (and I am a fan) are killing him slowly.

It'll all come down to who's in charge next season and which type of back they prefer, so while not in unison with this ranking, I respect it.

Fear & Loathing

Oct 26 2006, 03:08 PM

QUOTE (bumpman @ Oct 26 2006, 01:50 PM)

Berrian at WR40 seems awfully low, especially with Muhammed at WR27. Do you really think Berrian has less value than Troy Williamson in a dynasty format?

Personally, I would much rather have Muhammed on my team than Berrian. Do you really believe Grossman & Berrian are going to keep hooking up on deep balls at this phenomenal rate? I don't. There's a fluky nature to it that I don't expect to repeat itself in the 2nd half. As the weather gets tougher, Grossman is going to be looking for old reliable #87 a lot more often.

You're putting a lot of stock in the Bears passing game numbers the first 6 games of this season. We'll see. I'm impressed, but not convinced.

One guy tells me I ranked Williamson too low, the next guy tells me he's too high.

Fear & Loathing

Oct 26 2006, 03:17 PM

QUOTE (mlichty @ Oct 26 2006, 02:46 PM)

I have never played in a league where the playoffs are after the regular season ends. That would throw off your rankings vs my rankings. The big name guys on bad teams could help get you to the playoffs but they are not going to help you when they are golfing and you are in the playoffs. Not to bust on you but I don't think that I would like the league run like that.

But it still takes time to put together the rankings - so thanks.

I've been in both kinds of dynasty leagues before, and I can't say this strongly enough: the leagues where the playoffs occur at the same time as the NFL playoffs are far, far better leagues.

- The strategy involved is much greater than a normal week 14, 15, 16 playoff league. You have to think of playoff permutations throughtout the season, and then it gets crazy towards the end of the regular season. I've seen many owners out-thinking themselves on playoff teams & strategy.

- It stimulates trading. Will I deal Larry Fitzgerald for Marvin Harrison, or will I hold onto him because he's my boy?

- It is a significant boost to league parity. The non-playoff teams are going to end up with a lot more draftpicks and young talent by dealing away their playoff players.

- It allows you to stay more involved with football during the playoffs. Before I started playing in these leagues, I noticed a significant dropoff in my interest level after week 16. Now my favorite games of the season are often the best NFL games: rounds 1 & 2 of the playoffs, where teams are just beating the hell out of each other in desperation to keep going.

Sopranos

Oct 26 2006, 04:22 PM

QUOTE (perry147 @ Oct 26 2006, 09:10 AM)

QUOTE (dgreen @ Oct 26 2006, 12:08 PM)

QUOTE (H.K. @ Oct 26 2006, 12:36 PM)

Tiki at #27 with ten games left in his career...tough guy to rank given his situation and your premise that present day is three times as valuable as future performance. Don't agree or disagree with the rank, btw, just thought he was a tricky guy to place on the list.

Dynasty rankings, in general, are tricky. Is this year three times more important than next year for a 1-6 team? In Dynasty, every team doesn't have the same goal. Therefore, every team won't place the same value on particular players. In some cases, the value can differ greatly from one team to another.

A rebuilding team vs one built to win this year.

This is true. In one of my dynastys i traded Tiki and Favre for J Norwood and D Hall CB..

Im out of it and i needed to get something to build on. I didnt get fair value but in 3 weeks after the trade deadline both Favre and Tike become worthless

I did wait till i had VERY little chance..SA killed me

EBF

Oct 26 2006, 04:27 PM

I think you're giving a little too much credit to the hyped rookies. What has Maroney really done to warrant being ranked ahead of Kevin Jones, who is having a phenomenal year? Jones was arguably a better prospect entering the league and is actually producing as a starter.

Leinart seems too high. I own Alex Smith and Ben Roethlisberger in multiple leagues, and I wouldn't trade either player for Leinart. Smith is especially underrated. He's having a great year and was the top overall pick last season. He's for real.

Maurice Drew is too high. I like Reggie Bush, but if we're not talking PPR then I'm not taking him in the top 5 RBs. Chris Perry eleven spots below Marion Barber? Seems a bit off. Perry is the better talent. He's in the same class as Michael Turner.

On the plus side of things, the WR rankings are pretty good. I'd probably bump up Lee Evans and Antonio Bryant, but I think you did a solid job here.

Fear & Loathing

Oct 26 2006, 04:46 PM

QUOTE (EBF @ Oct 26 2006, 04:27 PM)

I think you're giving a little too much credit to the hyped rookies. What has Maroney really done to warrant being ranked ahead of Kevin Jones, who is having a phenomenal year? Jones was arguably a better prospect entering the league and is actually producing as a starter.

Leinart seems too high. I own Alex Smith and Ben Roethlisberger in multiple leagues, and I wouldn't trade either player for Leinart. Smith is especially underrated. He's having a great year and was the top overall pick last season. He's for real.

Maurice Drew is too high. I like Reggie Bush, but if we're not talking PPR then I'm not taking him in the top 5 RBs. Chris Perry eleven spots below Marion Barber? Seems a bit off. Perry is the better talent. He's in the same class as Michael Turner.

On the plus side of things, the WR rankings are pretty good. I'd probably bump up Lee Evans and Antonio Bryant, but I think you did a solid job here.

I had Maroney ranked as a better back coming into the league than Kevin Jones. Maroney is in a much better position, especially in playoff leagues. I think he's the more complete back, I don't worry about the injury factor as much with him as I do Jones, and I think Jones has been under-performing in his short NFL career up until the past few weeks. In short, I would trade Kevin Jones for Laurence Maroney while I would not give up Maroney for Jones if it was offered to me.

Leinart is a stud. I'm not going to change my opinion on him just because some NFL teams got that wrong in the draft or because Jaws thinks they should have stayed with a slippery-mitted statue like Warner. Roethlisberger is an absolute stud as well...and certainly starting to look like a very injury prone stud at that. Smith is making last year look like an aberration. Good for him. He'll keep moving up if he keeps producing. Leinart has the most dynamic young WR duo in the league. The other two do not.

Yeah, I thought Maurice Drew looked high as well, but I also think he's a lot like Westbrook. He's a playmaker and a TD scorer on the run & the pass. Even if JAX uses Greg Jones or another back to pair with him, I think he's still going to produce. I've seen him play almost every week, and he looks pretty explosive to me.

Chris Perry has been extremely brittle. Marion Barber has not. Chris Perry doesn't get into the end zone. Marion Barber does. The other major consideration is who will get a chance to start first: any idea? Me neither. Do I think Perry is more talented? Yes. He's the best 3rd down back in the league. Is staying healthy a talent? Is getting in the end zone a talent?

I think Michael Turner gets a chance to carry the load for an NFL team before Chris Perry, and I'm not sure Perry ever will considering his injury proclivities and lack of bulk.

Fear & Loathing

Oct 28 2006, 11:51 PM

Bump for the Saturday night / Sunday morning crowd.

fruity pebbles

Oct 28 2006, 11:54 PM

Looks good. I'd have Portis at #3. And Hines Ward looks really high to me and Santana Moss looks really low.

Mimo

Oct 29 2006, 12:09 AM

Wayne is too low in these dynasty rankings

Fear & Loathing

Oct 29 2006, 01:52 AM

QUOTE (fruity pebbles @ Oct 28 2006, 11:54 PM)

Looks good. I'd have Portis at #3. And Hines Ward looks really high to me and Santana Moss looks really low.

I could see Portis higher too, but I'm worried about the injuries and the 'Skins offense. Like I said earlier, he's got a ton of mileage under his belt for his age. And what happens to the offense when/if Campbell takes over?

Here's my thinking on Hines Ward vs. Santana Moss:

1] Hines Ward seems to be a top 8-12 WR year in and year out. I think he's that kind of WR no matter who the QB is or what other WRs are around. I think he's consistent, dependable and usually on a playoff team. He stays healthy, is as sure-handed as any WR in the league, manages to rack up catches and is often targeted in the redzone. I think he's less dependent on the people around him than most WRs.

2] Santana Moss may be the most incosistent WR in football, not only game-by-game but also year-to-year. He seems to have a few 2 or 3 TD games where he wins the game for you, only to disappear for several games after that. I'd rather have someone I felt I could count on for a consistent amount of production each week.

3] Brunell is no great shakes at QB these days, but Moss is still able to put up big numbers once every few games with him in there. What happens when Campbell takes over later this season? He's an extremely raw QB, and my guess is all WAS receivers lose their value at that point.

I think Santana Moss is a top 10-15 talent at WR, but his environment and inconsistency would scare me off.

Fear & Loathing

Oct 29 2006, 01:58 AM

QUOTE (Mimo @ Oct 29 2006, 12:09 AM)

Wayne is too low in these dynasty rankings

I don't think 11th is too low for a #2 WR. I realize this may be an unpopular opinion, but I don't think Wayne is all that great if you take Marvin Harrison out of the equation. I'm not saying he would immediately turn into Peerless Price, but I do think he feasts on the single coverage that Marvin's excellence causes.

As long as he's in Indy with Peyton Manning at QB and Marvin Harrison on the other side, he's a top 10-12 WR. I just don't think he's as talented as the guys I have ranked ahead of him.

I'm willing to admit I could be wrong about him -- especially considering his offense, but I don't think a ranking of 11th is all that low. I honestly don't think I would trade any of the top 10 for him straight up.

Fear & Loathing

Oct 29 2006, 06:43 AM

QUOTE (Fear & Loathing @ Oct 26 2006, 01:49 PM)

QUOTE (War Ensemble @ Oct 26 2006, 07:07 AM)

Alexander and Portis ahead of Jackson and Bush.

Maybe. Alexander is almost 30 years old, and his O-Line doesn't appear to be nearly as strong as years past. Portis is starting look a bit injury prone, especially since he's had so many carries under his belt for a 25 year old back. Then again, I could be out-thinking myself.

I think Steven Jackson is a stud. He'll start finding the endzone more often in the 2nd half. Ditto Reggie Bush. His receiving ability almost makes him slump-proof, and I think his playmaking ability will get him into the endzone more in the 2nd half.

After re-thinking this and doing some further research, I think you're probably right. I've moved both Alexander & Portis up and moved Bush down a few spots.

lord_helmet

Oct 29 2006, 07:03 AM

I would move up Housh to around the same ranking as Wayne, both are in similar situations playing for strong passing offenses complimented by great WR1s and premier QBs

Fear & Loathing

Oct 29 2006, 01:07 PM

As a former Cincinnati resident, I've watched just about every game of Housh's career. He's good, he's probably a better football player than most realize and he's a gamer. Nonetheless, he's played over his head this season, and there will be a regression to the mean especially in relation to Chad Johnson returning to the #1 option in the offense for the 2nd half of the season.

I might move him up a couple of spots due to his situation, but I think it's a stretch to say he belongs in the top 12 of dynasty rankings.

Homer

Oct 29 2006, 01:12 PM

Leftwich so high has gotta be a brain ff*art. Has never put up big #'s, can't use 'young' as an excuse anymore, has shown to be quite injury prone, plays in a conservative offense that simply doesn't air it out. Would love to hear ONE positive he would have over a guy like Rivers or Smith (who are ALREADY eating his lunch), and would be scratching my head over anyone thinking that he's better off over the next couple years vs. Delhomme, who will surely be a startable QB as long as Steve Smith is healthy.

Fear & Loathing

Nov 1 2006, 03:45 AM

QUARTERBACKS RISING:

Michael Vick – The most dynamic talent in football is finding Crumpler again, getting protection, and passing more accurately. He bumps ahead of Hasselbeck, Bulger, etc. due to better chance of becoming a truly elite fantasy player. Fantasy championship runs are usually won behind superstars having great seasons. Could Vick be that horse this season?

Tony Romo – Hogeboo—I mean, Romo, looked very good in his NFL starting debut, giving himself some breathing room and looking like the Cowboys’ QB of the present, if not also the future. As suspected, Romo was better able to use his talented weapons such as T.O. and Witten while bringing Dallas back into the NFC playoff hunt. Considering his surrounding talent, I'd gamble on him over guys like Charlie Frye, Chad Pennington & Jon Kitna.

Tarvaris Jackson – I believe no player has been more overrated by analysts this season than Brad Johnson and no team has been more overrated than the Vikings. Theisman says Johnson just played the worst game he’s seen him play in 5 years. Apparently, he sermonized right through the 2004 season when Johnson was benched in favor of Brian Griese after going 4-11 in his last 15 games started. Brad Johnson, who can no longer do any more than "manage the game", just doesn't have much left in the tank, while Jackson is an athletic QB who showed better than expected accuracy and poise in the preseason. Once the Vikings are eliminated, I expect to see Jackson log some experimental playing time.

QUARTERBACKS FALLING

Matt Leinart – The Arizona organization is a vortex. Leinart may yet pull himself out of it with some help from Boldin & Fitzgerald. However, the coaching staff appears to be in flux, the offensive line is a sieve and they’ve already drained Edgerrin James of his most of his value. Leinart is a special talent, but is he special enough to pull Arizona out of the abyss without a Marvin Lewis-type franchise momentum reverser? He won't drop far, but the future isn't quite as rosy as it was after he picked apart the Bears D.

Byron Leftwich – The injuries are beginning to form a pattern. There was the reported mini-squabble with Del Rio this week while Garrard just keeps winning (though nobody will point out that the Eagles are the first good team he's beaten as a starter). Many have said Leftwich is a poor fit for this offense, though I’m not sure I believe that. Two weeks ago, he was one of the highest scoring QBs in the league with a talented (albeit raw) young WR core and two solid RBs. Now young turks like Rivers, Alex Smith & Vince Young are beginning to look more promising in many eyes. I’m still a Leftwich believer, but I’d deal him for the right price.

David Carr – Statistically, he’s still having a very good season. Just as importantly, he remains Kubiak’s guy and the franchise QB (contrary to trendy belief, I don't see Rosenfels as a threat to Carr at any point. Sage just isn't that good). I think Kubiak pulled him to teach him a lesson and to show the rest of the team that he’s not going to give away a game due to one player’s poor performance. As with Roethlisberger, one poor game should not and will not cause a quarterback controversy. David Carr is the starting QB, but any time a player gets pulled due to poor play he loses a little bit of value.

Chad Pennington – His ceiling is just too low to put up with a stinker like that against the Browns. Where’s the upside? Regardless of how good Pennington may or may not be as a real life QB, I’d rather carry a young QB with promise than a known fantasy mediocrity. Pennington isn’t a QB I’d ever feel comfortable starting beyond a bye week fill-in.


I hope to have the rest of the positions as well as updated rankings as the week goes on.

dgreen

Nov 1 2006, 10:13 AM

QUOTE (Fear & Loathing @ Nov 1 2006, 02:45 AM)

QUARTERBACKS FALLING

Matt Leinart – The Arizona organization is a vortex. Leinart may yet pull himself out of it with some help from Boldin & Fitzgerald. However, the coaching staff appears to be in flux, the offensive line is a sieve and they’ve already drained Edgerrin James of his most of his value. Leinart is a special talent, but is he special enough to pull Arizona out of the abyss without a Marvin Lewis-type franchise momentum reverser? He won't drop far, but the future isn't quite as rosy as it was after he picked apart the Bears D.

I agree he's down a bit in most minds from the Chicago game, but that's only because some people insanely raised expectations after that game. For the most part, dynasty values don't rise and fall after each and every game.

Anyone adjusting their Leinart rankings four games into his career is crazy. I think of him today as I did the day he was drafted.

mightyeskimo

Nov 1 2006, 12:29 PM

Matt Jones still ahead of Reggie Williams. Interesting.

Donnybrook

Nov 1 2006, 12:42 PM

Mike Bell is way too low. I believe he is playing on a 1 year contract with Denver and has shown enough to get re-signed there or elsewhere. Definitely more value than a 32 year old Mike Anderson at this point.

Ted Lange as your Bartender

Nov 1 2006, 12:49 PM

QUOTE (Donnybrook @ Nov 1 2006, 11:42 AM)

Mike Bell is way too low. I believe he is playing on a 1 year contract with Denver and has shown enough to get re-signed there or elsewhere. Definitely more value than a 32 year old Mike Anderson at this point.

MBell would be an exclusive-rights free agent, so he's not going anywhere next year. That said, he probably has more value than Mike Anderson at this point.

Sigmund Bloom

Nov 1 2006, 12:57 PM

QUOTE (Fear & Loathing @ Nov 1 2006, 02:45 AM)

QUARTERBACKS RISING:

Michael Vick – The most dynamic talent in football is finding Crumpler again, getting protection, and passing more accurately. He bumps ahead of Hasselbeck, Bulger, etc. due to better chance of becoming a truly elite fantasy player. Fantasy championship runs are usually won behind superstars having great seasons. Could Vick be that horse this season?

Tony Romo – Hogeboo—I mean, Romo, looked very good in his NFL starting debut, giving himself some breathing room and looking like the Cowboys’ QB of the present, if not also the future. As suspected, Romo was better able to use his talented weapons such as T.O. and Witten while bringing Dallas back into the NFC playoff hunt. Considering his surrounding talent, I'd gamble on him over guys like Charlie Frye, Chad Pennington & Jon Kitna.

Tarvaris Jackson – I believe no player has been more overrated by analysts this season than Brad Johnson and no team has been more overrated than the Vikings. Theisman says Johnson just played the worst game he’s seen him play in 5 years. Apparently, he sermonized right through the 2004 season when Johnson was benched in favor of Brian Griese after going 4-11 in his last 15 games started. Brad Johnson, who can no longer do any more than "manage the game", just doesn't have much left in the tank, while Jackson is an athletic QB who showed better than expected accuracy and poise in the preseason. Once the Vikings are eliminated, I expect to see Jackson log some experimental playing time.

QUARTERBACKS FALLING

Matt Leinart – The Arizona organization is a vortex. Leinart may yet pull himself out of it with some help from Boldin & Fitzgerald. However, the coaching staff appears to be in flux, the offensive line is a sieve and they’ve already drained Edgerrin James of his most of his value. Leinart is a special talent, but is he special enough to pull Arizona out of the abyss without a Marvin Lewis-type franchise momentum reverser? He won't drop far, but the future isn't quite as rosy as it was after he picked apart the Bears D.

Byron Leftwich – The injuries are beginning to form a pattern. There was the reported mini-squabble with Del Rio this week while Garrard just keeps winning (though nobody will point out that the Eagles are the first good team he's beaten as a starter). Many have said Leftwich is a poor fit for this offense, though I’m not sure I believe that. Two weeks ago, he was one of the highest scoring QBs in the league with a talented (albeit raw) young WR core and two solid RBs. Now young turks like Rivers, Alex Smith & Vince Young are beginning to look more promising in many eyes. I’m still a Leftwich believer, but I’d deal him for the right price.

David Carr – Statistically, he’s still having a very good season. Just as importantly, he remains Kubiak’s guy and the franchise QB (contrary to trendy belief, I don't see Rosenfels as a threat to Carr at any point. Sage just isn't that good). I think Kubiak pulled him to teach him a lesson and to show the rest of the team that he’s not going to give away a game due to one player’s poor performance. As with Roethlisberger, one poor game should not and will not cause a quarterback controversy. David Carr is the starting QB, but any time a player gets pulled due to poor play he loses a little bit of value.

Chad Pennington – His ceiling is just too low to put up with a stinker like that against the Browns. Where’s the upside? Regardless of how good Pennington may or may not be as a real life QB, I’d rather carry a young QB with promise than a known fantasy mediocrity. Pennington isn’t a QB I’d ever feel comfortable starting beyond a bye week fill-in.


I hope to have the rest of the positions as well as updated rankings as the week goes on.

The whole thread is great stuff F&L. On your rising/falling -

Vick is definitely rising - he's a top 5 QB at this point. He's evolving into the ultimate weapon envisioned when he went #1 overall.

Romo is definitely rising - he showed he could handle himself in this league after a shaky first half as a starter vs. the Giants.

Jackson has been stable in my rankings for a while. I never expected the Vikes to carry Johnson much later than mid-07 as a starter, and while Jackson could see some time late this year if Johnson really struggles, it doesn't change my long term outlook on him. I should point out that I probably had Jackson a lot higher than most all along.

Leinart is stable. His value lies in the years ahead with Fitz and Boldin. maybe it took a slight downtick because the illusion of him being a safe start this year is gone, but i dont think anyone expected him to be relevant for fantasy this year.

Leftwich is indeed falling. The injury pattern continues, and you hate to see a QB and coach have a falling out. I love the idea of Leftwich + all those tall targets long term - possibly making him a perennial top 10 QB, but for now he has slid behind the solid but not elite QBs like Rivers, Delhomme, and Brees on my list because his value this year has been put into question.

Carr is falling and you hit on why - you never want to see someone get pulled - it makes him a weaker play for the rest of the year, because you have to worry about it happening again until he strings a couple of good games together.

Pennington is stable, but I've always been pretty lukewarm about him. He's purely injury/bye week filler at this point.

I'm surprised you didn't mention Roethlisberger - He didn't look like himself at all last week and right now he seems to have a big mental hill to climb. I'm still excited his possibilities as a fantasy QB if Cowher retires and turns the team over to Whisenhunt, but he looks like a shell of the 05 Big Ben right now.

djb916420

Nov 1 2006, 03:29 PM

good posting, glad to see someone else's point of view. However I have to disagree on Julius Jones at #23 and Reggie wayne at #11, also Mike Vick at #9. I think after last weeks performances vick is easily top 5, wayne is easily top 5 and juilus is top 15. Keep up the good work .

J-Rock

Nov 1 2006, 03:45 PM

Didn't read the whole thread so this may or may not have been covered.

How is Leinart ranked #7 while Alex Smith is only #17? I know I'm a niners homer but c'mon. (for the record, I own both of them in my dynasty)

Alex has proven himself to be a solid FFB QB. The SF D is gives up a lot of points which means Smith throws a ton of passes and he has proven he can put up the numbers. Leinart has 3 starts under his belt and hasn't looked nearly as good in them as Smith.

I was devistated when Leinart returned to SC instrad of becoming SF's #1 pick in 05 but I really think Smith is going to be a solid QB in this league. long term Leinart has the potential to be a better QB but as far as proof at this point Smith deserves higher ranking tha Leinart IMO.

Sigmund Bloom

Nov 1 2006, 03:47 PM

QUOTE (J-Rock @ Nov 1 2006, 02:45 PM)

Leinart has 3 starts under his belt and hasn't looked nearly as good in them as Smith.

He has looked WAY better than Smith did in his first 3 starts.

Cowboys#1

Nov 1 2006, 03:56 PM

i am having a lot of trouble fatcoring future progress into dynasty rankings, i know its a common theme but lets look at wr's smith, fitz, chad and holt are the top 4.. is fitz the one to have because hes younger, is chad better than holt because hes younger??

at what point do you say forget their ages and get the guy who will do the best for the next 2 years?

Fear & Loathing

Nov 1 2006, 04:03 PM

QUOTE (Sigmund Bloom @ Nov 1 2006, 11:57 AM)

The whole thread is great stuff F&L. On your rising/falling -

Vick is definitely rising - he's a top 5 QB at this point. He's evolving into the ultimate weapon envisioned when he went #1 overall.

Romo is definitely rising - he showed he could handle himself in this league after a shaky first half as a starter vs. the Giants.

Jackson has been stable in my rankings for a while. I never expected the Vikes to carry Johnson much later than mid-07 as a starter, and while Jackson could see some time late this year if Johnson really struggles, it doesn't change my long term outlook on him. I should point out that I probably had Jackson a lot higher than most all along.

Thanks, Sigmund. I appreciate the compliment.

I agree on Jackson. I've been higher on him than most, but I'm still going to bump him ahead of guys like Losman and possibility Pennington as well...especially as bye week fill-ins are no longer needed beyond this week.

QUOTE (Sigmund Bloom @ Nov 1 2006, 11:57 AM)

Leinart is stable. His value lies in the years ahead with Fitz and Boldin. maybe it took a slight downtick because the illusion of him being a safe start this year is gone, but i dont think anyone expected him to be relevant for fantasy this year.

I agree that most of his value lies years ahead with Fitz & Boldin; however, I was under the illusion that he was going to be a safe start this season. I'm still under that illusion with Fitzgerald coming back, but the illusion is beginning to fade a bit with the Cardinals' recent reversion to '90s level Bengals' embarrassment. I had Leinart ranked #7, which was probably too high. And I'll probably only drop him to #9, which isn't a significant change in value. So he drops, but like you said, it's just a slight downtick.

QUOTE (Sigmund Bloom @ Nov 1 2006, 11:57 AM)

Leftwich is indeed falling. The injury pattern continues, and you hate to see a QB and coach have a falling out. I love the idea of Leftwich + all those tall targets long term - possibly making him a perennial top 10 QB, but for now he has slid behind the solid but not elite QBs like Rivers, Delhomme, and Brees on my list because his value this year has been put into question.

Carr is falling and you hit on why - you never want to see someone get pulled - it makes him a weaker play for the rest of the year, because you have to worry about it happening again until he strings a couple of good games together.

Pennington is stable, but I've always been pretty lukewarm about him. He's purely injury/bye week filler at this point.

I'm surprised you didn't mention Roethlisberger - He didn't look like himself at all last week and right now he seems to have a big mental hill to climb. I'm still excited his possibilities as a fantasy QB if Cowher retires and turns the team over to Whisenhunt, but he looks like a shell of the 05 Big Ben right now.

I think we're definitely on the same page re: Leftwich, Carr & Pennington.

Roethlisberger: I had already dropped him a couple of weeks ago with the slow start. I had him around #6 or #7 to start the season based on his grade A talent and possibly the most impressive start to an NFL QB career in history (you know, if you're concerned with things like wins and championships and such). I'm going to keep him right around #10 now. The OAK game was very odd. He lost that game for the Steelers, a game they had no business losing. The interceptions were season killers. The odd thing was that he really only threw about five bad passes the whole game, and he is throwing much better now than he was earlier in the season. And, seriously, anyone suggesting the Steelers should start Charlie Batch is a dolt, a dullard and a simpleton (and I used to like Sterling Sharpe).

I know many people have mentioned Delhomme as a guy they like better than Roethlisberger & Leinart. Here's how I see Delhomme: he is at this stage of his career as good as he's going to get as a fantasy QB. He's like Hasselbeck in that he's in his prime with good weapons. Jake Delhomme isn't going to get significantly better or significantly worse the next few years. What you see is what you get. So what do you see? I see a guy who would leave me feeling less than secure if I had to run him out there every week as a starter. A #10 ranking at this stage of Delhomme's career means you're starting him every week, or at least most weeks based on match-ups. Where does that put you when 7 other owners in your league are starting McNabb, Manning, Palmer, Brady, Bulger, Vick & Hasselbeck? It puts you at a competitive disadvantage and out of the playoffs. I'm not looking for Jake Delhomme to be my starting QB. If he is, I'd be constantly on the lookout for a chance to upgrade.

On the other hand, if I had Roethlisberger, I'd stash him on my bench and plug in any old easy-to-find Favre or Kitna.

schlesinj

Nov 1 2006, 04:11 PM

QUOTE (dgreen @ Nov 1 2006, 09:13 AM)

QUOTE (Fear & Loathing @ Nov 1 2006, 02:45 AM)

QUARTERBACKS FALLING

Matt Leinart – The Arizona organization is a vortex. Leinart may yet pull himself out of it with some help from Boldin & Fitzgerald. However, the coaching staff appears to be in flux, the offensive line is a sieve and they’ve already drained Edgerrin James of his most of his value. Leinart is a special talent, but is he special enough to pull Arizona out of the abyss without a Marvin Lewis-type franchise momentum reverser? He won't drop far, but the future isn't quite as rosy as it was after he picked apart the Bears D.

I agree he's down a bit in most minds from the Chicago game, but that's only because some people insanely raised expectations after that game. For the most part, dynasty values don't rise and fall after each and every game.

Anyone adjusting their Leinart rankings four games into his career is crazy. I think of him today as I did the day he was drafted.

Is that really you Dennis Green? By the way I agree with you.

Fear & Loathing

Nov 1 2006, 04:12 PM

QUOTE (J-Rock @ Nov 1 2006, 02:45 PM)

Didn't read the whole thread so this may or may not have been covered.

How is Leinart ranked #7 while Alex Smith is only #17? I know I'm a niners homer but c'mon. (for the record, I own both of them in my dynasty)

Alex has proven himself to be a solid FFB QB. The SF D is gives up a lot of points which means Smith throws a ton of passes and he has proven he can put up the numbers. Leinart has 3 starts under his belt and hasn't looked nearly as good in them as Smith.

I was devistated when Leinart returned to SC instrad of becoming SF's #1 pick in 05 but I really think Smith is going to be a solid QB in this league. long term Leinart has the potential to be a better QB but as far as proof at this point Smith deserves higher ranking tha Leinart IMO.

Well thanks for jumping in even though you didn't bother to read the whole thread. Sorry, just a bit touchy when somebody basically says: "your opinion isn't important enough to read, but you should listen to mine anyway."

Do you play in a dynasty league? If you do, you would certainly realize that the potential you mentioned with Leinart is worth a lot in dynasty and "proof" isn't nearly as important as it is in a redraft league...regardless of whether you actually believe Smith has shown more "proof" than Leinart at this point (which is debatable).

As Sigmund already mentioned, Leinart's career start is leaps and bounds better than the trainwreck that was Alex Smith just about every start in his rookie season.

Other relevant points: I thought Leinart was a better player coming into the league than Smith. His WRs are head and shoulders above Smith's. I think he'll have a much better career than Smith. So why would I rank Smith ahead of Leinart in a dynasty league?

JetsWillWin

Nov 1 2006, 04:14 PM

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12 Drew Brees NO

I don't get this ranking at all.

Sigmund Bloom

Nov 1 2006, 04:15 PM

QUOTE (Fear & Loathing @ Nov 1 2006, 03:03 PM)

A #10 ranking at this stage of Delhomme's career means you're starting him every week, or at least most weeks based on match-ups. Where does that put you when 7 other owners in your league are starting McNabb, Manning, Palmer, Brady, Bulger, Vick & Hasselbeck? It puts you at a competitive disadvantage and out of the playoffs. I'm not looking for Jake Delhomme to be my starting QB. If he is, I'd be constantly on the lookout for a chance to upgrade.

I think what you're really hitting on here is the big dropoff at QB around 7 or 8. So what we really need to figure out is which of the QBs currently ranked below the dropoff have the potential to join the elite group...

A lot of people have Leinart penciled in, but Young is not getting nearly the credit he deserves as potential future fantasy stud.

Fear & Loathing

Nov 1 2006, 04:17 PM

QUOTE (Cowboys#1 @ Nov 1 2006, 02:56 PM)

i am having a lot of trouble fatcoring future progress into dynasty rankings, i know its a common theme but lets look at wr's smith, fitz, chad and holt are the top 4.. is fitz the one to have because hes younger, is chad better than holt because hes younger??

at what point do you say forget their ages and get the guy who will do the best for the next 2 years?

It depends on your team's and your league's situation. If I was out of the playoff hunt this season, I'd put a premium on Fitzgerald. In my league, guys who are in the playoff hunt must place a premium on likely playoff players. Smith, Holt & Ocho Cinco are all basically in the same boat there. I'd say each of their teams' is basically in the same position with regard to playoff chances. In that situation I'd go with the guy who I believe will help me win week in and week out the remainder of this season: Steve Smith.

Fear & Loathing

Nov 1 2006, 04:18 PM

QUOTE (JetsWillWin @ Nov 1 2006, 03:14 PM)

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12 Drew Brees NO

I don't get this ranking at all.

So where would you have him?

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