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Saturday, April 26, 2008

Quarterback Rankings: Draft Day 2008


[100] Peyton Manning IND 32.5 - With Clark re-signed and Gonzalez ready to step up if Marvin doesn't snap back, Manning's consistency trumps Brady's career year
[99] Tom Brady NE 31.1 - Remains the NFL's best QB; Moss' return guarantees another great season, but Brady is not going to hit 50 TDs again
[95] Ben Roethlisberger PIT 26.5 - Easily the 3rd best QB in the NFL and may bypass one of the Big Two in the next couple of years

[89] Tony Romo DAL 28.4 - Will move up if DAL brings in a talented WR; two straight disappointing playoff performances and an over-reliance on T.O. leave room for doubt about level of future dominance
[88] Drew Brees NO 29.6 - Should be good for a consistent 4,000 yards and 25-30 TDs every year for the next few years, but what's with the Saints re-signing their own dreck at WR & TE the past couple of weeks?
[88] Carson Palmer CIN 28.7 - Can he bounce all the way back from an extremely disappointing season? He and Chad are bickering while talented thug Chris Henry is banished.
[84] Donovan McNabb PHI 31.7 - I've seen guys like Eli Manning & Phil Rivers ranked ahead of him, in which case McNabb is the ideal buy low candidate for dynasty leaguers
[77] Jay Cutler DEN 25.3 - Impressive YPA & completion numbers bode very well for future; would have liked to have seen a better acquisition than Keary Colbert, but Scheffler & Marshall form a very nice duo

[63] Vince Young TEN 25.3 - Deserved a better fate last season after seeing a freakish number of TDs called back due to penalty, drops by a lousy receiving crew, or poor route running/miscommunication. Still has plenty of upside and the possibility of a true break-out season if the light flips on with improved weaponry
[63] Derek Anderson CLE 25.2 - A window to make his mark as the Browns' franchise QB with the addition of Stallworth as a #3 weapon behind Edwards & Winslow; slightly worrisome word out of the Columbus Dispatch is that Anderson's 2009 bonus could essentially make his new contract a one-year deal if he doesn't play up to expectations
[62] Matt Schaub HOU 27.2 - He's going to have to stay healthy for all 16 games to shake the injury concerns, but there's a lot to like here. The YPA & completion percentage were very promising, so he just needs to find Johnson & Daniels in the end zone more often to take the next step to reliable #1 as opposed to an aspiring Bulger
[62] Marc Bulger STL 31.4 - Al Saunders and an improved O-Line could bring production back in line with career norms, but don't expect many TDs; deteriorating receiving crew is worrisome.
[60] David Garrard JAX 30.5 - A much better QB than commonly believed, but he's not likely to surpass last year's passing quality. If the running game slips from true dominance, does Garrard's production see an uptick from the increased attempts or do the passing lanes start to close with the defense no longer selling out against the run?
[60] Eli Manning NYG 27.6 - The 64,000 Question: Did the epiphany occur in the last 6 weeks, or was it simply the flip-side of an inconsistent QB hitting a hot streak? I believe the latter, and I can't see how even a true believer can feel comfortable relying on a streaky, inconsistent Eli as a QB1 going forward
[57] #Philip Rivers SD 26.8 - Good news and bad news: The good news is that Rivers finally delivered consistently under pressure once the playoffs started. The bad news is that he showed flashes of David Carr happy feet and lack of arm strength during the season. Even worse, the ACL injury he suffered happened later in the season than Daunte Culpepper's, Carson Palmer's, and Donovan McNabb's . . . all of whom were much better QBs and struggled considerably in their first season back from injury. Why would we expect Rivers to do anything but disappoint in '08?
[56] Matt Leinart ARI 25.3 - High risk, high reward; after Warner's performance, there's going to be pressure to perform well right from the start. But if he does, he could easily see a 25 TD, 3700 yard season.
[55] Matt Hasselbeck SEA 33.0 - Who is he going to be throwing to this year? With the Seahawks making an effort to upgrade the running game, he can't count on abnormally high passing attempt numbers again; I'm staying far away from Hass this season.

[39] Aaron Rodgers GB 24.8 - Legit concern that he's been injury-prone in limited duty, but the pieces are already in place for him to succeed; just as importantly, he has both his coach and his GM glowing about his vast improvement over the past year
[38] Jason Campbell WAS 26.6 - It would be foolish not to count on an adjustment period to the West Coast Offense and a new coaching staff; I think we've all seen him look very poised at times and extremely underwhelming at other times, so it will be interesting to watch his growth throughout '08. Remember the Losman/Grossman Effect: young QBs don't always get better
[37] JaMarcus Russell OAK 23.1 - Top of the line arm, perfect size, prodigious talent, but the footwork was an absolute mess and questions persist about his decision making; his career could go either way, and unfortunately, Oakland isn't exactly the ideal proving ground for a developing QB right now
[31] Brady Quinn CLE 23.9 - Word out of the Columbus Dispatch is that Derek Anderson's $5M bonus before next season basically makes the 2-QB system a one year experiment. Quinn could definitely exploit an opening if Anderson doesn't show himself to be the Browns franchise QB in '08. The future is uncertain, but one of the two Browns QBs is likely to be starting elsewhere next season
[30] Matt Ryan ATL 23.3®
[29] #Jake Delhomme CAR 33.6 - Would make for the ideal throw-in on a larger deal if you believe he'll fully recover from Tommy John surgery; job security issues damage his long-term dynasty value, but he could recoup quite a bit of value in '08 with a more explosive offense featuring the always special Steve Smith plus the move to DeAngelo Williams at RB, and the additions of D.J. Hackett & Muhsin Muhammad
[27] Trent Edwards BUF 24.9 - Positive marks for poise, smarts, and an ability to lead an offense, but he needs to take a major step forward in playmaking and consistency; an upgrade in weapons would be nice as new OC Schonert plans to open up the passing game
[26] Drew Stanton DET 24.4 - Jon Kitna will be on a much shorter leash, so expect Stanton to get a chance at some point in '08; if Calvin Johnson & Roy Williams remain in DET, Stanton makes for a very intriguing high upside pet project

[16] Kellen Clemens NYJ 25.3 - Jets have nicely revamped a previously problematic offensive line and may be the favorites to land Darren McFadden. With an O-Line and a friendly running game, Clemens will be better able to get the ball to Coles & Cotchery.
[16] Tarvaris Jackson MIN 25.4 - If---big IF---Tarvaris can put it together, Berrian and a more experienced Sidney Rice offer some intriguing potential. I just can't get over the fact that he's the exact opposite of what the current Vikings franchise needs in a QB
[15] Brian Brohm GB 22.9®
[15] Kevin Kolb PHI 24.0 - The new Matt Schaub? The new Aaron Rodgers? Either way, his value likely depends substantially on your league's roster size. He's a very nice stash as long as you realize he's a roster ornament for at least another year. Hope for one of the following: in-season injury to McNabb, a post-2008 McNabb trade, or Kolb becomes the new Schaub-like savior for a QB desperate franchise
[14] Chad Henne MIA 23.2®
[13] #Alex Smith SF 24.3 - Two of his three NFL seasons have produced historically bad performances. I don't think he beats Shaun Hill in a fair competition, but the 49ers have a lot invested here
[12] Joe Flacco BAL 23.7®
[12] Shaun Hill SF 28.7 - More of a game-manager type than Martz' previous QBs, but he does offer athleticism, a quick release, and the ability to lead an offense. There's some upside here, and if he beats out Alex Smith for the starting job, the whole 49er offense should receive a boost in value
[11] Josh Johnson TB 22.4®
[10] Jon Kitna DET 36.0 - Still has a window on '08 value with playmakers Calvin Johnson & Roy Williams, but his margin for error is razor-thin with Stanton waiting in the wings . . . and Kitna is never a strong bet to defeat his margin of error

[8] Kurt Warner ARI 37.3 - Simply put, he needs Leinart to fall on his face in the pre-season. Warner threw up valuable fantasy numbers the last 12 games of '07 and can do it again if given the opportunity
[7] Chad Pennington NYJ [T] 32.2 - Due a hefty bonus and salary this season, so the onus is on the Jets to find a taker. It's simply not practical to have a backup QB making that kind of scratch
[6] John David Booty MIN 23.7®
[6] Brodie Croyle KC 25.5 - If Grossman is odious, then Croyle is, of course, appallingly bad. The Chiefs are seriously deluded if he starts week one
[5] Matt Moore CAR 24.1 - Looked decent in late season action . . . certainly better than any CAR backups of the past two seasons
[5] Daunte Culpepper UFA 31.6 - The opportunity isn't likely to be forthcoming (nor should it be), but Culpepper makes for a nice high-upside, albeit longshot, stash. Better to carry a longshot with high upside than a player you will never use even if he does get an opportunity to play
[5] Jeff Garcia TB 38.5 - He's a better NFL than fantasy QB at this stage of his career and a poor bet at age 38 to stay as healthy and productive as last season
[3] Luke McCown TB 27.2 - The better of the Passing McCown Brothers has flashed some interesting ability in small doses. Would have to beat out Griese to get on the field this season, but this McCown could conceivably have a future as a starter down the road
[3] Kyle Orton CHI 25.8 - Plucky. That's it. That's the list. OK, neckbeard. That's on the list too. Woe are the Bears
[3] Rex Grossman CHI 28.0 - Come on. He's simply odious. Before last season, I called him a "turnover prone, inconsistent, inaccurate headcase." I was feeling nice that day
[3] John Beck MIA 27.1 - Thoroughly unimpressive in a 4-game rookie trial. It remains to be seen if he'll be given the reigns to start '08, but either way there's not going to be much of a grace period

[2] J.P. Losman BUF [T] 27.5 - It's getting awfully late in the game for Losman to find a starting opportunity via trade. His best bet for value would be KC, ATL, MIN, or BAL
[2] Sage Rosenfels HOU [T] 30.5 - The Practically Perfect Backup QB could pick up some value if traded to MIN, but will certainly drop a tier if he remains in Houston
[2] Andre Woodson NYG 24.4®
[2] Seneca Wallace SEA 28.1 - Could put up interesting fantasy numbers if ever given a shot at regular playing time
[2] Kevin O'Connell NE 23.5®
[2] Dennis Dixon PIT 23.7®
[2] Byron Leftwich UFA 28.6 - I still say he can help several teams around the league as a starting QB. For all of the talk about the long windup, he's long been a low turnover QB without a sack problem
[2] Damon Huard KC 35.2 - He's no great shakes, but he's a hell of a lot better than Brodie Croyle; with the Chiefs far from contending mode, Huard is stuck in No Man's Land
[2] *Michael Vick ATL [x] 28.2 - How large is your roster?
[2] Colt Brennan WAS 25.0®
[2] Brian Griese TB 33.5 - Will battle Luke McCown to see who starts once Garcia gets injured
[2] Billy Volek SD 32.4 - Fantasy leaguers keep insisting that he must be passing up better opportunities elsewhere; but what are the chances NFL GMs are as fond of his game as fantasy owners are?
[2] Trent Green STL 38.2 - Decent shot at Kurt Warner-like startable value if Bulger goes down, but keep in mind any value would be of the fleeting variety
[2] Troy Smith BAL 24.2 - Not ready yet to help an offense put up consistent points, but he has shown impressive field general abilities. Still raw, but may get a shot to sink or swim with McNair retiring
[2] Chris Redman ATL 31.2 - Last man standing could be a band-aid for a year, but I don't think the Falcons are done shopping quite yet
[2] Kyle Boller BAL 27.3 - Has failed and failed again to generate offense. Poor man's Rex Grossman lacks the headcase nature but also the playmaking ability

[1] Tyler Thigpen KC 24.4
[1] Cleo Lemon JAX 29.1
[1] Todd Collins WAS 36.8
[1] Erik Ainge NYJ 22.3®
[1] Josh McCown MIA 29.2 - Seen as strictly a backup as opposed to Beck's competition
[1] Quinn Gray HOU 29.3 - Another long release guy, this one comes with major accuracy & consistency issues but possesses all the physical tools; could end up in GB as Rodgers' backup
[1] Gus Frerotte MIN 37.2
[1] #Chris Simms TB [x] 28.0
[1] Patrick Ramsey DEN 29.5
[1] Charlie Whitehurst SD 26.1
[1] Kerry Collins TEN 35.7
[1] A.J. Feeley PHI 31.3
[1] Charlie Frye SEA 27.0
[1] Matt Cassel NE 26.3
[1] Matt Flynn GB 23.3®
[1] Joey Harrington ATL 29.9
[1] #D.J. Shockley ATL 25.5
[1] Andrew Walter OAK 26.3
[1] Jim Sorgi IND 27.8
[1] Dan Orlovsky DET [R] 25.1
[1] Ryan Fitzpatrick CIN [R] 25.8
[1] Bruce Gradkowski TB 25.7
[1] J.T. O'Sullivan SF 29.0
[1] David Carr NYG 29.1

Draft Day Movers:
Moved JaMarcus Russell up
Moved Jason Campbell up
Moved Chris Redman down
Moved John Beck & Josh McCown down
Moved Troy Smith down
Moved Sage Rosenfels down
Moved Brodie Croyle up


Anonymous said...

Now that the draft is over, Vince Young seems a little high. He probably still belongs in tier 3 but he has nowhere near the upside of Derek Anderson or Matt Schaub. Who's Young's go to guy? Crumpler? Not exactly Braylon or AJ.

Chris Wesseling said...

Yeah, I was debating that very issue with myself yesterday, and I'm going to take a closer look at that ranking and others in the coming weeks.

VY was definitely not helped by the draft haul -- though I've heard good things about Lavelle Hawkins from several people. Still, no early round physically dominant wideout after failing to address the position in free agency. On the positive side, Crumpler & Chris Johnson are both receiving game upgrades on what VY had last season.

Nonetheless, I think it's a mistake to say that Young doesn't have anywhere near the upside of Derek Anderson or Matt Schaub. In fact, I think he has significantly more "upside" than either. Those guys are safer picks for the 2008 season, but VY is the one with dynasty upside considering his talent edge over both of them. Anderson could easily go either way this year. He could have another high TD / low completion % / high interception % season, or he could fall on his face and lose his job to Quinn. Schaub could struggle to put the ball in the end zone again and keep getting injured, or he could put it all together and become a Top 10 dynasty QB.

I think it depends on your roster needs. If I was looking for a one-year patch, I would definitely go for Anderson or Schaub. If I was looking for a franchise type of QB, I'd go with VY's talent edge and upside.

Anonymous said...

David Garrard seems like a guy who should be higher, he is very consistent and his weapons improved this offseason. I think he could be at the top of tier 3 but admittedly he doesn't have the upside of Anderson. However he has arguably more job security then anyone but Eli in that tier.

Chris Wesseling said...

How did Garrard's weapons improve? Jerry Porter & Troy Williamson? Gulp. Two of the top five most overrated receivers of the past few seasons. Not exactly Moss & Welker there.

I love Garrard as an NFL QB, but I worry about him a bit in fantasy. I think his passing will fall off as the running game's pure dominance falls back just a tad to above-average. Just a hunch from watching the Jags play every week. Garrard is throwing through some monstrous passing lanes right now.

I think Garrard is a safe QB1/QB2, but I wonder if he's as good as he's ever going to get . . . and I wonder if that's enough of a difference-maker to keep yourself from rolling the dice on a QB who has the potential be a difference maker.